Socialism was a right-wing phenomenon up until Karl Marx and afterwards.
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The Pete Quiñones ShowOct 1, 2026
The claim is an extraction that departs from the passage: the speaker said socialism was right-wing 'up until Marx and even afterwards', and the extracted version reads 'up until Karl Marx and afterwards', which is a near-faithful paraphrase but the passage's assertion is a sweeping historical characterization.
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… read, like, what Sombart wrote and what and even what Marx wrote here, you don't understand what your predicament is right now and where we are and why you're fighting so hard to keep the status quo, or basically you're trying to make their system better. Socialism in general, up until Marx and even even afterwards, socialism was a right wing phenomenon. Capitalism was revolutionary. There was nothing you know, if we can picture the factory in 1850 in London, I don't think people comprehend the evil. How many killed kids were killed there, uhm, 'cause they were, you know, child labor and everything else. …
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Contradicts. Britannica states that socialist ideas and communities existed long before Karl Marx and that socialism did not originate with Marxism, undercutting the notion that socialism was right-wing before Marx.[2]
Contradicts. Wikipedia's history of socialism places its origins in the Enlightenment and French Revolution, with Marx and Engels drawing from left-leaning ideas, which conflicts with a right-wing-before-Marx characterization.[3]
Supports. Riggenbach's essay argues that early socialists such as Saint-Simon were conservative monarchists, and that socialism has never really been on the Left, which partly matches the claim's pre-Marx right-wing framing.[4]
Context. Snopes notes that Nazism's use of 'socialist' is contested and that socialism is normally placed on the far left, while the Mises-hosted essay argues fascist and non-Marxist socialism were put on the right by Marxist propaganda; these are opinion-laden interpretations rather than documented fact.[1][5]
Context. The claim is a sweeping historical characterization of an ideology's political placement; the sources reflect interpretive disagreement rather than a settled factual record, and the post's own assertion is rhetorical framing.
Sources
5 sources: 1 fact-checker, 4 not rated
- 1Were the Nazis Socialists?snopes.com · fact-checker · cited for: context
- 2Socialism | Definition, History, Types, Examples, & Facts - Britannicabritannica.com · not rated · cited for: contradicts
- 3History of socialism - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org · not rated · cited for: contradicts
- 4Why I Am a Left Libertariantheanarchistlibrary.org · not rated · cited for: supports
- 5How and Why Fascism and Nazism Became the “Righjls.mises.org · not rated · cited for: context
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